tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post5110390200230068873..comments2023-10-18T04:44:08.434-05:00Comments on tales of an ordinary girl: Empathy for Non-Humans?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09429263099197981481noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-18564671990227948662008-03-22T09:13:00.000-05:002008-03-22T09:13:00.000-05:00You're right, starting next Friday night. ;)You're right, starting next Friday night. ;)PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-68723283065224903192008-03-21T19:14:00.000-05:002008-03-21T19:14:00.000-05:00"So how much longer before they rise up and destro...<I>"So how much longer before they rise up and destroy us?"</I><BR/><BR/>I'm having visions of Cylons and a spacecraft named Galactica in my future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-24468368552671374652008-03-21T06:55:00.000-05:002008-03-21T06:55:00.000-05:00"So how much longer before they rise up and destro..."So how much longer before they rise up and destroy us?"<BR/><BR/>It's going to be at least two weeks...Alejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578877429793660591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-27003017925426870552008-03-20T23:22:00.000-05:002008-03-20T23:22:00.000-05:00I actually winced when that guy kicked it. So how ...I actually winced when that guy kicked it. <BR/><BR/>So how much longer before they rise up and destroy us?<BR/><BR/>http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_are_we_giving_theVenjanzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14632111675112237375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-55370030925819594122008-03-20T22:18:00.000-05:002008-03-20T22:18:00.000-05:00Well I think that's the question: could you design...Well I think that's the question: could you design or program that? Whether feelings evolved or not, can we say that our feelings are nothing more than mechanistic reactions to information we gather from the environment. Functionally speaking, isn't that all they are? And if we could program something to function like that, how would you know that it wasn't as fully conscious as we are (or think we are)?<BR/><BR/>If consciousness is an awareness of yourself as an agent, an awareness that we learn about through those same senses, then I don't think it's inconceivable that we could create a fully conscious robot at some point in the distant future.<BR/><BR/>Okay... WAY distant future.Alejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578877429793660591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-29996387201697934642008-03-20T16:22:00.000-05:002008-03-20T16:22:00.000-05:00But it could be intelligently designed with all th...But it could be intelligently designed with all that. ;)PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-58145387356759405372008-03-20T16:18:00.000-05:002008-03-20T16:18:00.000-05:00Would a robot have the same fear of death that we ...Would a robot have the same fear of death that we do? After all, we developed that fear after years of evolution. There isn't necessarily any reason why a constructed intelligence would have it.<BR/><BR/>Same goes for feelings, actually. I, too, am pretty sure <I>animals</I> feel, but expecting a robot to feel in the same way we do might be silly. Perhaps <I>everything</I> has 'proto-feelings' of some sort, and perhaps only evolutionary processes would be likely to produces 'feelings' of the sort that <I>we</I> would recognise.Lynethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357023675142716573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-17325030517174715792008-03-20T14:25:00.000-05:002008-03-20T14:25:00.000-05:00Philly:I spill enough shit in there without adding...Philly:<BR/><BR/>I spill enough shit in there without adding to it by "spilling my seed."The Exterminatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14452054124550486048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-32261284853346268002008-03-20T14:18:00.000-05:002008-03-20T14:18:00.000-05:00You can love your microwave, just don't LOVE your ...You can love your microwave, just don't LOVE your microwave. ;)PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-81705980392370767342008-03-20T14:10:00.000-05:002008-03-20T14:10:00.000-05:00Fascinating little video. But any feelings I have ...Fascinating little video. But any feelings I have are for the creature the gizmo represents, while all the time being fully aware that I'm watching a mechanical thing. I guess I haven't evolved to the point where I get emotional about robots. <BR/><BR/>I <I>do</I> love my microwave, though.The Exterminatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14452054124550486048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-58226684280006454092008-03-20T10:29:00.000-05:002008-03-20T10:29:00.000-05:00That thing is fucking cool. I'm more fascinated wi...That thing is fucking cool. I'm more fascinated with the movement than the philosophical issues of empathy and machines obtaining consciousness. That thing is awesome, mimicking animal quadruped movement beautifully. The recovery on the ice, getting kicked and then that jump at the end, that was all fantastic. Most of what I've seen, aside from Asimo, is mimicking insect movement instead, which is still confusing (I spent many a day scrubbing cockroach videos back and forth until I got down the sequence).<BR/><BR/>As far as consciousness, yeah, I have no problem acknowledging that, either hardware based, software based or some hybrid of the two (I listen to their podcasts, too). I'd grant them full and equal rights the moment they exhibited both self awareness and an understanding of rights. This makes me want to watch Bladerunner now.<BR/><I>Have you ever retired a human by mistake?</I><BR/>- No<BR/><I>But in your field that is a risk...</I><BR/><B>Is this supposed to be an empathy test? Capillary dilation of the so-called blush response? Fluctuation of the... pupil. Involuntary dilation of the iris... Demonstrate it, I want to see it work... indulge me</B>PhillyChiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355892225956705948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-35057767043367370992008-03-20T09:30:00.000-05:002008-03-20T09:30:00.000-05:00Lifeguard: Thanks. I find knowing what makes us hu...<B>Lifeguard</B>: Thanks. I find knowing what makes us human to be a fascinating subject and the more I think about it the more I'm drawn to the conclusion that we're not all that unique or special. Animals, and possibly one day machines, all exhibit behaviors that we once thought to be purely human.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09429263099197981481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-42804849392236515612008-03-20T07:57:00.000-05:002008-03-20T07:57:00.000-05:00Oh, and if you haven't checked it out yet, watch t...Oh, and if you haven't checked it out yet, watch the movie "Artificial Intelligence." It dovetails nicely with this post.Alejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578877429793660591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21863196.post-79174270764614513512008-03-20T07:50:00.000-05:002008-03-20T07:50:00.000-05:00In Consciousness Explained, Daniel Dennett asks at...In Consciousness Explained, Daniel Dennett asks at one point: If I could program a robot to look, speak, behave, and react exactly like a human being, would you be willing to say that it is conscious? If not, are you SURE you could say that? How different is that from a robot made up completely of organic matter?<BR/><BR/>I see it as the reverse of the philosophical "zombie problem"-- how can we be sure that we're the only conscious being in the world surrounded by androids? If you turn it around, how can we be sure that we're not all blindly programmed androids?<BR/><BR/>I think this is a FASCINATING question, and I'm so glad you posted this. Really.Alejandrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08578877429793660591noreply@blogger.com